Lot pricing strategy

Discussion in 'Development News' started by ddfczm, Oct 25, 2015.

  1. ddfczm

    ddfczm Administrator Staff Member Moderator

    Hey everyone.

    I've started working on some of the lot management backend. Although it probably wont be enforced for a while I did a bit of work on land pricing and figured this may be an interesting topic for discussion.

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    1. Does anyone remember anything about the original pricing strategy?
    2. Failing that, how do you think we should price lots?
    This is what I've implemented for now:
    • Land has a base price depending on terrain type. Rock is 3000, Grass is 4000 and Snow and sand are 5000.
    • The higher the elevation the greater the price. $19 per elevation increment (there are 255 increments)
    • Every edge that faces water adds 5000 to the price
    • If every edge faces water (an island), 10000 is added to the price

    Thoughts?
  2. Tirea

    Tirea Active Member

    If I remember correctly, what you implemented comes very very close to the original games pricing.
    Islands and beachside lots were the most expansive ones, along with snow, because they reflect that terrain in the actual lot just like the Sims 1 does on Vacation Island. Rock and grass were sort of moderate to cheap because they're the "normal" green grass lots, though if you wanted to buy a lot on a hill or mountain you would have to pay more because EAxis just loved those "house on the hill" references...
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2015
  3. Tori Sim

    Tori Sim Active Member

    Looks amazing! And yes, I do believe the pricing of the lots are correct that you have, since the beginning funds we got were 10K simoleans if I'm not mistaken... very nice work Rhys! :D:cool:
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  4. RHY3756547

    RHY3756547 FreeSO Developer Staff Member Moderator

    This scaling looks like it makes sense. I don't think anyone worked out how the pricing worked back when the game was online, but this looks pretty close. Make sure you also consider lots that are on steep ground as unbuyable, and mirror the logic to our client. I only really know of one video which shows some lot prices...

    I didn't do anything... :p
  5. mallhew

    mallhew Member

    Maybe we could have lot prices adjust based on total money in the economy?
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  6. xXJDrocks450Xx

    xXJDrocks450Xx Well-Known Member

    @mallhew reminded me of something, this may have been mentioned before, but what amount of money are we going to start with on official launch?
  7. ddfczm

    ddfczm Administrator Staff Member Moderator

    Will do.

    @mallhew Yea Luc and the EA Land team worked on a design for dynamic lot pricing based on the economy. I suspect we will end up with a simple economy first and then maybe some dynamic elements if there is much demand for it. EA Land did it for pay out / pay in reasons I think Not sure pay outs are high on the priority list here although I could see pay ins used as a way to help fund servers.
  8. zc456

    zc456 Well-Known Member

    Personally, I'd just add in the dynamic economy elements since the present money making objects were easy to beat in the original and will likely remain so in FreeSO.
  9. Conando

    Conando New Member

    I believe there was one additional factor worked into lot prices, and that was your neighbors. I seem to recall it being more expensive to buy a lot in the middle of a big neighborhood (one of the ones that ended up on the city map) than it was to buy an identical type lot somewhere else.

    I could be remembering wrong though.
  10. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Active Member

    I found it evry strange how obessed the game was regarding fixing the economy, taking Real Life Transactions out of the picture, yeah, there were several billionaires in the game but the game wasn't "broken" enough was it? I never enjoyed the dynamic, it broke the game in numerous ways (objects like buyable fences skyrocketed because there were so many duplicates).

    I'd much prefer a simple economy system in general without any dynamic changes. To me it was the enjoyment of roleplaying/hanging out that really made The Sims Online TSO, not the fact that the economy was basically "broken".
  11. Tori Sim

    Tori Sim Active Member


    Oops, my bad, needed more coffee I suppose lol :p
    great job DD! :D:D
  12. zc456

    zc456 Well-Known Member

    TSO was pretty broken after a while. Ironically, the biggest offender was jobs. Part of their design was to help get a jump start without waiting on money lots to open. Unfortunately, they paid out less then money lots. Since the economy remained the same, they were quickly abandoned by the players.
  13. RHY3756547

    RHY3756547 FreeSO Developer Staff Member Moderator

    I think a good balance would be making it easy to start out and get property, but difficult to get the best and stay rich (people would need active roommates to sustain mansion). Perhaps utility bills like in single player would enforce this better. Roleplaying in TSO is a lot of fun but having more gameplay possibilities is never a bad thing.
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  14. zc456

    zc456 Well-Known Member

    And when it isn't paid, let's go the TS4 route: power and water go out.
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  15. RHY3756547

    RHY3756547 FreeSO Developer Staff Member Moderator

    Would be hard to define, and would need to modify test trees on all electrical objects. The return of the repo man could be interesting (effects still in tso), but it would be a challenge to make him take only buyable goods and not like, your pets. Could always lock sims out of their house when they get too far in debt (10k?), at which point their debt would freeze until they pay it off (go to other people's money lots, borrow money from friends..)

    That also raises further questions. Would bills only rack up when the lot is open? Could they rack up when it's closed, but slower? etc.
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  16. zc456

    zc456 Well-Known Member

    I'm starting to understand why money system (networth, billing, ect...) was never fully implanted in time.
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2015
  17. Marvin732

    Marvin732 Active Member

    Why ? I don't understand they economic back then
  18. zc456

    zc456 Well-Known Member

    Well, they had a schedule of course. Networth and billing were shown in previews, alphas, and possibly beta but were taken out at that last moment. Possibly was too complex to finish in time.
  19. yoyo

    yoyo Active Member

    Lot pricing looks pretty cool, it's starting to resemble the original more and more :)

    the problem with the economy is that they never implemented a truly dynamic economy in the game, they said they would get around to it but the all they did was just manually adjust the prices for everything themselves, so i think it actually ended up hurting things a lot more. A truly dynamic economy would use information like payout rates, total amount of money in the economy and other things like that to adjust prices and payouts for everything. Also, if there are too many billionaires in the game, some kind of dynamic progressive tax system or some kind of money sinks would help drain excessive money from the economy.

    Maybe richer people can hire NPC's to keep lots online or work as chefs, waiters, maids, etc. at the cost of an hourly fee of some kind. Maybe like hiring temp workers.
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  20. ddfczm

    ddfczm Administrator Staff Member Moderator

    I went looking for some screenshots of the original game. Found a few that show lot prices. I don't think we are a million miles away. Perhaps islands slightly more expensive, single waterfront slightly less expensive. Maybe altitude adjustment is a bit low or snow had a greater base price.

    http://imgur.com/a/JBKhP

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