New Lot Style

Discussion in 'Contribute' started by RHY3756547, Jun 22, 2016.

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Road Type?

  1. Type 1

    21 vote(s)
    35.6%
  2. Type 2

    29 vote(s)
    49.2%
  3. Other (suggest below)

    1 vote(s)
    1.7%
  4. Type 1 (with yet to be suggested change to make dead ends and crosswalks look nicer)

    8 vote(s)
    13.6%
  1. RHY3756547

    RHY3756547 FreeSO Developer Staff Member Moderator

    So I discussed a little on the discord about what we can do differently with the new city server. The first (obviously) is to make the general lot size bigger. The new max lot size will be 64x64 buildable, right up to the path. There may be some limitations on the last 1 tile border due to terrain slope requirements (may need to count as "always sloped" as slope can be introduced by a lot move).

    The reason I'm talking about this now is because it's better to get these decisions out of the way before we commit to anything. Some of these decisions can be intelligently patched over in the future, but the idea is to avoid doing that. With that in mind, here's the new lot size:

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    Wow, look at all that space. Everything in the central green area is buildable.

    The second is that networks are much better than they were, and the same goes for RAM. This means that instead of showing a gray void, we can show the adjacent lots in full detail (not simulated) to fill the off-lot camera space with something that isn't ugly gray. This would be achieved via a stripped down "thumbnail" version of the lot state, sent to clients as they join the lot. This means you can see the whole of the road, and what disaster buildings your neighbours have been ruining your neighbourhood with. I don't have a technical demo of this yet, since it involves a few things that would take time to implement (generation of empty lots when no data is available, generate and store full lot thumbnails at all zooms and rotations, special format)

    This has serious implications for roads throughout the city, specifically that they need to make sense! Lots with no adjacent roads will have NO ROAD OR PAVEMENT ON THEM, with cars and the mailbox instead appearing on a patch of dirt in front of the lot. To stop every lot looking like this, roads will be much more present in the chosen city... and since we can see the roads, they'll need to look better and have rules for intersections and joins. I've came up with 2 styles for this, but I think they could use a little work.

    Style 1: add line boundaries to road. No grass gap.
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    Style 2: The Sims 1 style
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    Style 1 needs a bit of development to look nicer. Feel free to SUGGEST YOUR OWN!

    Terrain types will be a little different. On the map you may have noticed that terrains on boundaries blends into terrain of the next type down.
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    For everything except sand <-> water, the alive/dead grass states will be changed to represent the blend types of the underlying terrain. (alive very obviously being grass most of the time) You can see this in some of the lots in The Sims 1 on holiday island.
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    Lots placed down will eventually respect the slope of the ground they're placed on, like The Sims 2. Our terrain tools will support placing tiles on sloped terrain, so roads can be heavily sloped too, and you can have tile paths over bumpy terrain. This wasn't possible in The Sims 1 because the ground was not 3d, and they didn't have the tech. It'll likely be a better idea to build lots on flatter surfaces, but people can build on bumpy terrain if they want to utilise it for architectural purposes.

    Islands will be pretty much the same. The difference is that you'll now see the open sea on all 8 sides, so it'll make it that much more worth it. They will likely be more circular or gradually sloped.
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    Finally, it's worth mentioning that empty lots will come dotted with some trees and shrubbery relating to their terrain type, to make them a little more interesting. These will be outside the buildable area to start, but as you upgrade your lot they'll come into your ownership and you'll be able to get rid of them as you please.

    So, paste your thoughts, any ideas, where you think I should be going with this!
  2. dennusz1995

    dennusz1995 Active Member

    I would like to say style 1, but i think im too used to style 2.. idk.
  3. Alessandro Needs A Server

    Alessandro Needs A Server Well-Known Member

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  4. Simhrique0990

    Simhrique0990 Active Member

    Style 1,for me,look perfect.. but the roads is ugly.
  5. LetsRaceBwoi

    LetsRaceBwoi Well-Known Member

    Style 1. I don't really understand the grass gap, and I really don't see the point of it. I've only really seen them rarely around where I live and never saw a point as there is no use for the space. I'm a minimalist though, and I much prefer the simplistic Style 1.
  6. AquilaSim

    AquilaSim Administrator Staff Member Moderator

    The crosswalks looks very European, I love it but not for the rest.
    Btw the style 1 looks very weird IMHO...
  7. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Active Member

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    I think we could just re-design the roads to look more like SimCity 3000. I think they're prettier and we could just make them super fancy. But we need space for the Trash Bin/Pay Phone/Mail box though.
  8. Blayer98

    Blayer98 Active Member

    The roads are too bright in my opinion.
  9. Blayer98

    Blayer98 Active Member

    Me personally, I prefer the roads the way they are, I really wouldn't bother making them look all pretty and everything in between, as long as the game is actually working, then I feel we should start focusing on these things, but of course, I'm not developing it, regardless, I prefer Style 2.
  10. RHY3756547

    RHY3756547 FreeSO Developer Staff Member Moderator

    We can't just focus on the game "actually working" without a decision being made on this front, since the ramifications will be present on all lots throughout the city. Changing it later could cause complications.
  11. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Active Member

    This is a concept. I said "like" not re-make them as I'm sure that's actually plagiarism.
  12. RainCloud

    RainCloud Active Member

    I think style #1 is too plain, style #2 reminds me of the old game and I think it has more personality :p:D
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  13. Tori Sim

    Tori Sim Active Member

    Style 2 voted :)
  14. Christopher

    Christopher Member

    Simple, clean, and not-distracting is key. The roads serve such little purpose, so I don't think they need shrubbery, decoration, or too much fussing. I think style 2 achieves that nicely. Although I'm not too sure how that road layout works on a lot, with the T layout and all.
  15. Marvin732

    Marvin732 Active Member

    Style 2 voted too, looks honestly better :)
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  16. xXJDrocks450Xx

    xXJDrocks450Xx Well-Known Member

    I vote style 1, like many I didn't understand a grass gap between road and sidewalk. I think that the crosswalks, road itself, and sidewalks all look very familiar to me having seen similar styles irl. Overall, I am strongly for redesigning the roads to something more clean, and something that makes sense.
  17. -BloodFighter-

    -BloodFighter- Active Member

    How long will it approximately take, until you can show as a working example of the neigborhood lots being shown when on your own lot? Would be interesting to see how it will look working. ATM I imagine it to be similar as it was in Sims 2
  18. francot514

    francot514 Well-Known Member

    Style 1 is better, also i think you can use TS2 example for watching how the adjacent lots does work, doing it by isometric will be more easy, and will not requiere a lot of work, becuase those does not need to be synchronized, or they will be??
  19. RHY3756547

    RHY3756547 FreeSO Developer Staff Member Moderator

    Adjacent lots will be static captures of their state retrieved when the user joins. No plans to make them uodate or actually functional right now. (actually functional would be almost open world, but we'd need very powerful servers and the user would require a 4 core cpu to run the max number of lots at once)
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  20. Nahuel3d

    Nahuel3d Active Member

    I love the idea to show the adjacent lots, just like in The Sims 2 :p
    I prefer Style 1
    Also, just throwing an idea, the adjacent lots could be "semi-functional"
    For example, the lots are not simulated, they are static captures, but you can click on them, your Sim will walk to that lot(or just leave the current lot) and when he arrives or leaves the lot load the destination
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2016
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