francot514
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No problem, i was tought about if were possible to add the editor window to the game itself, that way no new windows were needed to use it, but anyway tabbing idea is also good..
[ARCHIVE] Road to Live Release
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Shoving it in the game is a terrible idea. It would be limited to the game resolution and wouldn't benefit from any of the features of windows.
francot514
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I was thougt about creating a new ui panel for the editor, but nevermind, forget it, any other development changes planned for Decemeber??
LetsRaceBwoi
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Why do people still use integrated GPUs for anything that isn't a tablet if they want to play games? Especially on laptop CPUs.
LetsRaceBwoi
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But having a computer almost completely powerless should not be supported; laptops from before 2007 should really have been replaced by something a bit... newer? Also, it's not like laptops with dedicated GPUs are expensive...
LetsRaceBwoi
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Since the game actually ended in 2008, with a lot more features since the game's release, and because the engine being developed will have various improvements, no.
Those features did not stress out client computers. Our engine will support turning off any enhancements.
It's not bloody Arkham night, guys, it's supposed to run on people's PCs and stuff.
Btw. I don't feel much difference between running FreeSO on NVidia and on Intel on this thing. I actually had NVidia turned off in BIOS for weeks (something about drivers, can't remember but it was pissing me off) and forgot about it, well, I'm not a gamer and I never needed it until I wanted to play Space Engineers anyway. So yes, you can live with that integrated stuff. Unless you're LRB, the best gamer and gamedeveloper of all time.
Btw. I don't feel much difference between running FreeSO on NVidia and on Intel on this thing. I actually had NVidia turned off in BIOS for weeks (something about drivers, can't remember but it was pissing me off) and forgot about it, well, I'm not a gamer and I never needed it until I wanted to play Space Engineers anyway. So yes, you can live with that integrated stuff. Unless you're LRB, the best gamer and gamedeveloper of all time.
LetsRaceBwoi
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They aren't expensive though?
LetsRaceBwoi
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Yes, but the processor is not of the same architecture. ARM is (or was, last time I checked) generally regarded as less powerful when compared to normal x86 or x86_64. Back in 2000, most of today's cell phones would have had the specifications of something like a hardcore gaming computer; most of today's smartphone specifications are near enough 2006-2007's tower computers, obviously apart from hard drive space.cell phones are really powerfull now iv got a samsung note 4 with 1900mhz and 3gigs of ram with a 64gb internal hdd back in 2000 that would be tower specs
hey can we get app version eventually
Nahuel3d
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I wonder, how will the server handle everything after the game is released? Will it be one city server(for each city, obviously) that will handle all lots, objects, sims, etc. Inside the city at the same time? That would be like thousands of SimAntics calculations each frame....insane.
So how are the servers actually going to work?
So how are the servers actually going to work?
This is what I have been working on. The city server scales vertically (aka as city gets bigger you need a bigger server). This is a bad way to scale but the city server is IO heavy so should handle more than enough on modest hardware. The lot servers are distributed, they scale horizontally. We can add more nodes to the cluster to host more lots.
- Lot server comes online
- Lot server connects to city server and convinces the city server to trust it (crypto)
- Lot server advertises to the city server how many lots it can handle, CPU load, memory usage etc
- When you open a lot, the city server picks a lot server based on the info it has and asks it to host your lot
- The lot server can accept or reject this
- If accepted, the lot opens
- The game client then opens a connection to the lot server. This means your game client has 2 sockets open while in a lot. One for the city server (to get sim pages, search, IM chat etc) and one for the lot.
Nahuel3d
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I have some questions:
How exactly do you make a server "bigger"??
Are the lot servers on different VPS servers apart from the city server?
What are nodes and clusters?
Excuse my ignorance, i'm still learning
Making a server bigger refers to choosing more powerful hardware. Take your city server and move it to a server with more CPUs, more RAM, bigger SSDs etc. This is called vertical scaling.
Horizontal scaling is where you just add more servers. Horizontal scaling is more desirable as it works out cheaper. Commodity hardware is cheaper than high end hardware. Google data centers are full of commodity hardware not super computers.
The FreeSO server is split into 4 pieces.
- HTTP API (Authentication, negotiates connection to city server, SAS)
- City Server (Everything you can do when in city view)
- Lot Server (Runs SimAntics VM)
- MySQL Database (Stores all the persistent data, lot state, what skills you have, what city you live in etc)
The city server only scales vertically. It is very clear that the lot server will be intensive to run. That is why we have made it highly scalable. However, the city server is not like this. Therefore it would be a "premature optimization" to make that horizontally scalable now. The complexity of doing this is high and the value is low.
A node in my example is a server. A cluster in my example is a group of servers. If you had a busy city that had 1 city server, 1 api, and 5 lot servers, all that hardware is considered the "cluster". Each item I just listed is a node.
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